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(Not Quite) Payback Time
Posted by Philip Higgs on March 28, 2007 - 11:05pm.

So, uh, I’ve got some good news, some incredibly startling news, and some bad news. Being a gentle sort, I’ll start with the good: Even though I’ve been rattling on about replacing the boiler for weeks now, we actually installed the new one months ago, back before the snow and the cold. It’s been up and running, with minor tweaks here and there, since mid-October. And we’re pretty psyched with it – it’s quiet, it’s compact, and it doesn’t offer the paranoia of death by carbon monoxide. And maybe it was only psychological, but we did feel warmer this winter.

In the end, though, the new boiler cost us quite a bit more than we had originally wanted to spend. Initial estimates ran from just under $6,000 to over $10,000, but the final bill was even more than that. But – lest ye judge – bear in mind the following: We had to replace the boiler and a broken water heater. We needed a boiler with enough juice for our house plus a one-bedroom apartment plus a studio apartment – since we were hacking up pipes anyway, we thought we might as well run everything through a hyperefficient new boiler rather than continuing to run off two not-so-efficient systems. And we ended up putting a new radiator in Hil’s office, since that room had zero heating, and we were jacking up the heat in the rest of the house to compensate. So there was a lot of adjustment – usually upward – of our initial estimates. With that in mind, dear readers, if you’ll take your seats, here is the final cost…

Yep: $12,381. Startling, I know. What is that, half a Prius? A down payment on a new house? In retrospect, I feel like we might as well have gone geothermal, or at least seriously solar. And here’s the bad news: We’ve been running this system for the entire 06–07 winter, and I’m not sure it’s saved us much. A few weeks back I was all high and mighty about gaining efficiency: I thought the new boiler was going to save us something like 30 percent on our home heating bills – or at least enough to pay for itself in a decade or two.

But that’s not happening. I’ve done the calculations – dispiriting columns of therms per heating degree day – and according to my slide rule, we’ve gained just under 7 percent in efficiency with the new, quote-unquote Benz of boilers. Meaning the simple payback for our new system – the time it takes to pay for itself in energy savings – is, oh, about 175 years.

Something must be wrong. Either our use is waaaaay up, or we’ve got yet another gas leak. Or gnomes are siphoning the stuff and huffing it in the crawlspace. Fear not: While I’ve had enough of talking boiler for a while, I will be untangling this cruel conundrum forthwith.

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Incidentally, I’m headed to this little greenbuilding convocation tomorrow; look for a full report next Tuesday, when I’ll also begin posting biweekly. Huzzah!



<em>jjackson</em>'s picture
Sad
by jjackson on March 29, 2007 - 7:16am
This is the kind of thing that makes me believe that I will always be a renter. 
<em>Vicki_R</em>'s picture
snowballing home improvements
by Vicki_R on March 29, 2007 - 11:23am

It's amazing how home improvements always snowball.  I have found that whatever I set out to do, it always takes more time and costs more money.  It's a joke with my husband and myself.  He always thinks it's a one day job and low and behold, its an all weekender.

I feel for you though with the final expense.  Hopefully you still feel a sense of accomplishment at what you have done and are trying to do.  Keep the faith. 

 


<em>phiggs</em>'s picture
more than that
by phiggs on March 29, 2007 - 11:57am
I'll be doing more than just keeping the faith -- I'm going to call the installer and find out what's wrong. I signed up for super efficiency, not 7 percent.
<em>Vicki_R</em>'s picture
interesting conversation
by Vicki_R on March 30, 2007 - 9:58am
That should be an interesting conversation.  Let us know what he says!!! Does it make you wonder if you still want to go green with everything else and pay top dollar and not get the results promised?
<em>redryder</em>'s picture
the greening/fleecing of America
by redryder on March 30, 2007 - 11:18am

Greetings!

Glad I'm a handy woman and read up on projects ahead of time. Yah, I'd definately give your boiler guy hell. I thought that you were going to install an on demand hot water heater. I did, and my savings on on electric have been 50%. I plan on doing radiant floor heat (run off the on demand heater) next year. No, I don't do all the work myself, but as much as I can (more than most of the men I know). Going green hopefully in the near future, won't cost an arm and and leg , or in your case 12 grand!

redryder


<em>dancingqueen</em>'s picture
great to hear
by dancingqueen on March 30, 2007 - 4:51pm
Glad to hear that there are women who are handy out there.  Sounds like you really know your stuff.  Is this a hobby? I wish I could do more, but my brain has a hard time with electrical and mechanical stuff.  Where do you learn from?
<em>phiggs</em>'s picture
you'd be surprised
by phiggs on March 31, 2007 - 4:35pm
You'd be surprised at how many women-centered classes and workshops are out there. For starters, check out these workshops at Solar Energy International -- the even have a women's carpentry class. (I'm still waiting for the carpentry class for wimpish men...)
<em>Vicki_R</em>'s picture
goof to know
by Vicki_R on April 1, 2007 - 11:58am
If I learn to do that, then what do I need my husband for?  Only kidding! I'll definitely check it out.  I could learn to be more handy.
<em>redryder</em>'s picture
handy women
by redryder on April 2, 2007 - 11:21am

Hi Everyone!

To the woman who said "then what would I need my husband for?", I'm envious, as long as he's patient with you and you really want to learn, this is the best! I've learned because I've HAD to, and also from every man who was kind enough to help me! Keep the faith, sister women!  I don't know that much, I'm always just ready to learn. And thanks phiggs, for the info on the workshops, too bad none of these are anywhere in the Midwest!

redryder


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by worldinsoftWW on April 25, 2009 - 5:58pm
gtgrth

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